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以下是引用law在2007-6-27 11:33:55的发言：

那帖子不是挺好的，为什么锁了！？也有不少东西在里面。

那根本算不上吵架吧，讨论的多激烈

以下是引用yanshen在2007-6-27 8:30:10的发言：

LEE in TEKKEN6

f,N+3,4 has changed to a move similar to the Soviet Kick Combo.

b+2,1,1 (Violet Rush) the command and motion has changed, and the first move is not a normal right punch anymore. Third move has changed from a Schwartz Rose Hook to a elbow strike. CH on the first move will cause a stun, and the third move will be a knockdown. It seemed very difficult to juggle from the CH stun.

f+2,3 The first move has changed to a short dash elbow motion(like Julia’s elbow strike). There is a new string for the second move witch is same as the third move of b+2,1,1

d/b+3+4 (Hitman Stance) The command for Hitman Stance has changed to d/b+3+4

3+4 ( NewMove) A crouch throw, that kicks like Acid Storm and has a very low launch.

f,f+2 ( NewMove ) Launcher from a low position that looks like Jin’s f,N,d,d/f+1, also causes a flip over when hit.

f,f+3+4 has changed to a throw similar to the Marshall Law’s f,f+3+4

d/b+4 has a faster motion, and also sways back a little during the move.

u/f+4 has a shorter range

好好地帖子给锁了，看地我心寒，重新发过

斑竹不要轻易乱锁帖，要是觉得水了，就把口水帖自行删除，搞地我想回复点技术含量地东西都回复不了

非常抱歉,现在开锁可以,我把我和PTK的口水贴删了,不过不能保证他是否还要争个明白,这个问题说道后面已经完全没技术含量了,已经说到了个人问题上了,开始谁时间短谁时间长这种无聊的口水战.不过既然你已经开了这贴不知道还有没有必要开锁,总之先道个歉

以下是引用aqq在2007-6-27 10:10:54的发言：
据说那张脸看起来老了。他也是四五十岁的老男人了。以前一直都做成象专门调戏良家妇女富家子弟的形象。

为的就是他那个形象从T4用到现在,改变形象就要考虑是否延用

From http://tobisteve.exblog.jp/
Low parry is now +13

KING
New move: d/f+3,4,3 - low, high, mid

New move: b+1, 2. The first stuns on CH as usual like in DR but the second hit does not

New move: b+2, 4

Jab will not connect after f+3 in combos anymore, making FC, d/f+2 -> f+3, 1... impossible

Giant Swing --> Wall --> d/b+3 might still work

WS+1+2 Properties changed. On hit, the opponent flips over King making it impossible to end any juggles with giant swing

He can now WD like Mishimas

STEVE

The 1+2 in peekaboo is a throw (Ten Count). Writer describes it as "flashy"

Steve cannot move in peekaboo

1,1,2: Animation changed

f,b+1,1,2,1 command change. The writer doesn't know the command, but it is definitely there.

u/f+1: Animation changed

Added CH effect on f,f,f+2

DCK2 Confirmed to be -13. Might have also had an animation change

Juggle so far is: Launch, b+1, flicker 1, Feint Left (I think this is a new move because I couldn't find it in the DR move list)

Steve can cancel ducking

If opponent gets hit by ff+2, DCK 1 will pick them up if they try to move.

From http://blog.livedoor.jp/ryk0503/

GENERAL

Backdash is shorter

Sidestep is faster

Apparently, you cannot jump cancel throws anymore (Jack u~u/f1+2 for example)

ROGER JR

New move: WS+2,2. Natural combo.

Roger has a new move that looks similar to Bruce's WS+2,1

1,2,3 combos on CH now

1, 2, d/f+1+2 still works on the wall

JULIA

Doesn't have 1,2 string anymore

Elbow has been weakened. It doesn't knock down anymore.

NINA

New move: d+2~3

下裁之后 -13,幸好老头没有无双连拳了,不过他还有1+2...HWOA就歇比了,以前下裁脚是最强(b3),现在估计就接个df4

KING DF3 4 3？？？DF3不是中段吗？难道这个消息又是假的下上中的判定意思不就是和史蒂夫那个下段起始差不多了最好性能也一样中了前两下第三下不能低头不然这招就是废招就和DR中AK的 F343一样没用

仔细看了下 KING的那招下上中的应该是DB434 最后一下明显的就是分离出的动作F4 两个摔角手的投技又多了几种

KING的CD4没破绽了似乎而且击中还有招继续跟进而且是COMBO随你怎么接

JULIA (from http://samechan.exblog.jp/)

1,1,1. 3rd hit properties changed. Doesn't launch anymore. On normal hit, the opp bends backwards like her WS 2,1,1. Can also be done as f+1,1,1

2nd attack added to 3+4, 1 (3+4,1,2)

Elbow has smaller hitbox?

Can't really use elbow in combos anymore

Elbow, kick is not a NC anymore

After the 4 in ff+1,4 hits, elbow will not connect anymore

The 3rd hit of u/f3,4,1 has had an animation change

b+4: Animation changed. Knocks down on normal hit!

u/f+3+4: Jumps a shorter distance

Old f+1 has now been changed to WS+1

New move: d+1+2 (Animation is like the 2nd attack from 3+4~3,1). Long range?

New move: 1,1,4(also 1,1,4,1+2). 3rd hit knocks down

New move: b+2,3,1+2. The 2nd and 3rd hit are from the 3+4~3,1 string.

New move: b+1,1

New move: d/f+3+4

New move: SS+3. Mid kick.

New move: fff+1/WR+1. Gives advantage on block but it's.......HIGH

2nd attack added to 3+4, 1 Correction This is supposed to be: You can perform the 3+4 spin after 1,2 punch string now

From http://d.hatena.ne.jp/atarimove/

JIN

New move: 1, d+3, 4. High, low, low

New move: b,f+2,3. Mid, mid

ff+2 has been re-animated

MARDUK

New move: d/f+3,2. Mid, mid

New move: d/b+3,1,1. Low, high, mid?

New move: u/f+3. A jumping knee

Tackle is easier to escape

STEVE

New move: 2,1,2. High, mid, mid

julia 111不能浮空了，又是10frame， ff1不能把人打倒，倒是多了一大堆新招

MARSHALL LAW

* New Move, d+4,3 is natural combo that does little damage. d+4 no longer crushes highs.
* New Move, DSS(Dragon Stance Sign) 1+2, it looks like a faster version of f+2~1 one inch punch. Shorter range.
* New Move, 3+4. Mid double kick attack that looks like the last hit of Anna’s u/f+1,3,3+4 string. Good range and crushes lows.
* New Move, WS+1,2 new WS punisher, hits mid, high and may be natural combo.
* New Move, d+2,3, the old move was changed into a low right punch into a knee strike. It launches on CH only.
* 4 is now a different kick, f+4 is more like the standing 4 of T5DR. CH f+4, b+2,3,4, DSS 3 still hits.
* d/f+2 range is shorter(this seems to be the case with all characters that have generic d/f+2).
* SSR 3+4, d/b+3, f+1+2 all combos together on the ground.
* f,f+2,1,3 range has been reduced on the initial strike.
* B+4 transitions Law into BT stance now, b+4 makes him face forward.
* U/F+4 flipkick can now transition to DFS> （原文为笑脸）SS. By going into stance the flipkick recovers faster. This new transition enables more juggle possibilites.

PAUL PHOENIX

* New Move, QCF+3 is a new low kick move that knocks down on CH. f,f+4 may be guaranteed after it hits on CH.
* New Move, b+1+2. b,b+1+2 is the new notation for the b+1+2 unblockable in T5DR.
* Phoenix Smasher(aka death fist) no longer pushes back like in previous games.
* New Move, QCF+1+2 is a new low move that is quicker/more useful than the T5DR QCF+1+2.

我这SDTEKKEN上不去，那个活蹦达有没有什么新消息或者新录象，ZT一下阿

TEKKEN 6 INFO :: Impressions from BETA

- Tekken 6 movement and hit system feels alot like Tekken Tag
- Tekken 6 juggles do low damage as Tekken 4 system
- Combos in general do low damage
- Juggles seem harder to do ala Tekken Tag
- Long jab combos are also much harder

=EDIT=

- Apparently the wall combos are pretty raped for all characters. Only quick attacks hit. Making it deadly mixture since dash jabs carry much shorter. It seems like Tekken 6 is a fusion of DR and Tag/T4. This is what Namco meant by pleasing the Tekken players of the non DR generation.

- 200won said Tekken 6 feels really alot like Tag because of the SS sytem. It seems you can evade alot of things by timing it right. He also mentioned he would think all chars being 10 frames would change the system dramatically, but after playing in Beta Test the difference is not that huge and it doesn't feel that much change.

It doesn't have that much impact on gameplay as he felt it would, which he feels is very good. He also thinks Zafina will be super strong. Her stance moves seem very deadly and unless Namco changes the properties she will most likely be top tier.

Also he thinks Paul has a hard time. As Dash Jabs are pretty useless and the new wall system makes him weaker than before. Players will have to find something else now.

- Dash jabs are hard not because of the 10 frame jabs but the general juggle system has changed. The launch height isn't the same as before. Gravity seems more strict.

- Also about breakable stages, they are hard to do. It's not that big influence in the gameplay.

- DUK believes Jin is super weak in the beta version. Namco will probably tune him up in final ver. All his moves seem super slow and stuff. Also very punishable.

- All characters with jab jab combos in DR WILL have to change and find something else to replace it with because it is also useless now. They have to work for combos now, because of difficulty of combos.

- Most of Steves and Rogers DR combos work in T6 though. And Steve seems to have very nice new combos for T6.

- Yoshi seems to have some godly moves, but the character needs more development accordingly to 200won. He has something new that extends his juggle properties.. (don't know what that means.. )

- Something else about the control system. Movement responds very fast, and button timing is very strict. You cannot bash juggles like you can in DR. You have to input more precisely like Tag. Overall better control movement.

- Marduk's VT stance the properties have changed. If the player abuse it, the opponent can catch up to Marduk and punish. (not sure what this means.. ). Apparently it's easy to dash in and attack. This helps break people who turtle to tell them to attack.

- Best characters from beta test so far seem like Baek and Hwoarang. 200won said those 2 character owned all the T6 machines lol.

- Mishima EWGF seems to be weaker now. Gives less ADV on block, almost seems punishable lol. Also combos like Kaz, EWGF EWGF, jab jab is almost impossible, like Tekken 4. Wow, really big change on juggle system.

- Hwoa JFSR is super super hard to do. ala Tekken 4 style.

Tons of Koreans went to Beta Test for Tekken 6. This is all from the Korean playtesting.. .