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作者: camus 时间: 2004-9-16 13:58 标题: [心得]来自韩国测试的反馈 - 最后更新于2004.9.20.

更新记录： 9.20.修订了多处错误 9.19.新增内容：关于T5整体印象的交谈添加在末尾，感谢yanshen提供英文资料9.17.新增内容：关于Lei的交谈，感谢yanshen提供英文资料 *********************************************************************** 翻译自DashEWGF的帖子，注：T5消息这么多，一个人不可能全部知道，论坛是大家的，人人添砖加瓦才是正道！大家以后看到的英文消息，如果懒得翻译都可以发上来，我会翻译的。这时充当公仆角色。 :-) 当然我自己肯定是会四处寻觅地,我的帖子也会加上时间便于大家查阅新主题 [02:12] 看起来 [02:12] 今天T4玩家比TT玩家要多 [07:44] 猜猜看为什么 [07:44] 在今天的T5测试上 [07:44] TT玩家离开的都比较早 lol [07:44] T4玩家却一直留到散场 [07:44] hah [07:44] t4 = 爱 t5 [07:44] ttt = 我们还要回去玩TT 事情是这样的：T5是以T3的系统为基础并强化了T4的角色出招。对于我们的核心TT玩家来说，我们根本没碰过T4......所以让我们使用或者面对T4角色是一个很大的问题。当然，T5出来后我们会练习的，呵呵增加的一些东西：从这此T5地区测试的负责人那里我们知道T5的完成度只有65%。Marduk被削弱。Steve非常强。Lei也是。出现在这次测试上的名人包括：Mad Dog Jin, Park Yong. MDJ 已经找到一些BUG, 像Hwoarang的无限墙壁连和 Jin的4发目LS. 前两下是上段(至少看起来像...) Hwoarang 可以用 d+4,4 反击Steve的121 韩国Nina高手认为Nina被大大削弱了，因为她的的对手可以很轻易的Backdash她的牵制技翻译感言：韩国人不是一般的，无限连都出来老，，，，，，言谈之间可以发现，他们认为角色的出招风格是T4式样的关于Lei的更新 [02:16] Lei很好用 [02:19] 因为 ff+3 和 ff+2? [02:20] nah [02:20] 是全部的招都好用 [02:20] 再加上墙 [02:20] 他甚至有d+4进…… [02:20] 对不起我不知道招式的名字，太难翻译了 [02:20] 总之他很全面很强 [02:21] d+4后面那招看起来像什么? [02:23] 简单说来 [02:23] d+4下段牵制然后进任意一个构 [02:23] 太简单了， [02:24] 什么?! 只是一个d+4, wow! [02:24] 是的呵！ [02:24] 不知道是不是d+4, [02:24] 但是你知道只是一个简单的下端牵制就可以进任意一个构 [02:25] oh 等等 [02:25] 它看起来就像 [02:25] hrm [02:25] 蛇? [02:25] 我不知道还有什么东西像蛇一样 [move]以下内容添加于2004.9.19.@以下内容添加于2004.9.19.@以下内容添加于2004.9.19.[/move] [01:14] 你好 [01:15] T5的完成度只有60％ [01:16] 他们怎样在10月发布?那65％的完成度是在最近的韩国测试公布的？ [01:16] 今天，从小组带头人那里得知的，我想他们已经有最终版了 [01:17] Steve还是很强，lol，随便下 [01:17] 只有能做好，随他们延期了 [01:17] jin的LS前两击看起来像上段的，一点都不像中段 [01:17] 浮空2个点拳以后可以接LS [01:18] 他们已经加强了marduk，他的空背，但是我永远不会用他做主力！ [01:19] 谁看起来强？ [01:20] STEVE [01:20] 他只需要两招就可以赢得每一盘游戏 [01:20] doh [01:21] 他们怎么说Kazuya的? [01:21] 他非常好！！！ [01:22] T5打起来很像T3，一点也不像T4 [01:22] 看起来steve将在开始的几个月称霸，非常安全 [01:22] 他用哪两招? [01:22] 121 [01:22] 还有 d1 或者像d1的招 [01:22] 就像T4里Kazuya的腿碎，不过好用多了 [01:23] 对Jin的时候，你可以蹲LS的第二发，这样就可以反击那些滥用LS的 lol [01:23] nina看起来必须忍受很多痛苦，是韩国Nina高手说的 [01:24] 他说当对手持续Backdash的时候，Nina很头疼 [01:24] 每一招都可以被很轻易的Backdash [01:24] jin的样子就像TT里面的Jin [01:24] 他的左回突被防是安全的，而且击中还浮空 [01:24] 你为什么不喜欢Marduk的空投？不下血？ [01:24] 是的，而且太快了，看起来没什么用 [01:25] 每个Marduk使用者都说现在Marduk不好用了 [01:25] 不过有一个人赢了10局，所以，谁知道呢，，， [01:26] Backdash到底有多强 [01:26] 像TT一样，快 [01:26] 看起来很像TT再加上T4的加强型角色 [01:27] 所以龟缩打法将会比较好用（应该是指防守反击打法，防御 > 进攻那种） [01:27] 不过前冲现在也很快 [01:27] 不过steve的龟缩仍然很有效 [01:27] 下段技用起来会很安全， [01:27] 因为同时输入的时候，Hwoarang的d44将会打到steve的121 [01:27] 所以你必须防御 [01:28] 在对方想靠近的时候用121，而在任何时候都可以使用下段技 [01:28] SS怎么样了？ [01:28] 就像TT，非常好 [01:28] 看起来steve只有1个弱点 [01:28] 他不能很好的打SS [01:29] 还有很多防御优势，比如说防御时你的优势降低很多 [01:30] 用Lei的人都用哈哈步么? [01:30] 像TT一样，或者更多，记不得了 [01:30] Lei也tmd太强了 [01:30] 不过现在也没人知道，因为现在的进度只有65％ [01:30] 是的，但是至少我们知道了改变了多少 [01:31] 那里有好多玩家 [01:31] mdj用花郎 [01:31] hwoarang = 暴血，不过我还不是很确定 [01:32] 不过mdj似乎已经发现了一个花郎的bug，墙壁无限连

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作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-16 19:52

http://tracker.arcadepimp.com/

有这次韩国测试录象了，大家快去下吧~~~

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-16 19:56

[02:12] <duk2k> looks like [02:12] <duk2k> t4 players > ttt players today [02:16] <duk2k> omg [02:16] <duk2k> lei looks crazy [02:19] <HsiaoLung> cos of ff+3 and ff+2? [02:20] <duk2k> nah [02:20] <duk2k> just everything [02:20] <duk2k> + walls [02:20] <duk2k> he even has [02:20] <duk2k> d4 into urm [02:20] <duk2k> i dunno the move names sorry hard to translate [02:20] <duk2k> anyway he's good overall [02:21] <HsiaoLung> d4 into what does the move look like? [02:23] <duk2k> just simple [02:23] <duk2k> low d4 style poke [02:23] <duk2k> into one of the arts [02:23] <duk2k> it's cheap [02:24] <HsiaoLung> what?! just the d+4 wow! [02:24] <duk2k> yeah [02:24] <duk2k> dunno if it was d4 [02:24] <duk2k> but you know [02:24] <duk2k> just a simple low poke [02:24] <duk2k> into one of the arts [02:25] <duk2k> oh wait [02:25] <duk2k> it looks like [02:25] <duk2k> hrm [02:25] <duk2k> snake? [02:25] <duk2k> i dunno something like snake

关于LEI地更新，这个人暴强现在，所有的都加强了

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-16 21:37

刚才看了两段， LEI确实厉害，， LEI地很多浮空也回来了，判定也跟TT差不多（或者更强），恭喜背篼了，

他们说STEVE现在是N0 1 ，还没看出来，估计用地这个人不行，等待看其他录象，

感觉那个罗德曼忍者很厉害，上上下下，弄地人忽悠忽悠地，等会再看看，还有什么其他东西

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-9-18 15:15:35编辑过]

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-16 22:13

JIN现在罗刹门比较帅，不象以前那么TM傻了，现在充满力量感，

JIN风神步后多了个中段浮空，看起来有点象bryan地d+2，，希望是特殊中段，

HWOA多了个个招数，冲过去跳起来劈一脚，似乎可以跟db44

这个HWOA不行，直线进攻，连1133都用，3SS就没见他用过，就在远处用，找死，跟JIN拼不过了就用d1,d4，不知道别地招数了

HWOA RFF:B4还是不行，跟T4一样，不如TT好用，

HWOA df2 确实可以直接浮空了

LAW 背向地新招数很傻，看地我晕……

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-16 22:24

小雨长高了，不过判定似乎变弱了，难怪美国人说她最弱，为飞猫默哀……

作者: camus 时间: 2004-9-17 11:04

[em73]再怎么弱都狠，可惜对要求太高，还是[em71]好练，duliya,duliya[em90]

PS:你对Lei的更新我已经翻译附在文后

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-9-17 11:05:50编辑过]

作者: 梅影横窗瘦 时间: 2004-9-17 11:36

谢谢言身的消息~~难道LEI的DB4又回归了~我最恨这个东西~

作者: lauinkfan 时间: 2004-9-17 20:17

LEI天啊，他终于翻身了

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-17 23:50

刚刚又看了点，不知道大家下了多少了，我这用BT下速度都不是很快，更别说其他地什么HTTP， FTP 下了

又看到了LAW地背向那两拳，收回昨天说这招很傻的话，因为打中了人还是很帅，人弹老远，让你感觉到其中的力量感

LAW的 123 感觉还是和T4一样，由于T5SS系统，不知道这招数能不能SS掉，

一八多了个风神后的中段，似乎是中段，还多了一些象妓院拳(df2) 一样的中段，不过比妓院拳帅一些，大开大合，很有气势

JIN那个风神后的中段浮空似乎能躲上段， JIN地奈落被防住也有趔趄了

HWOA 那个跳起来劈腿的招数，counter似乎可以点拳继续浮空，不过没看到人用

HWOA新的空中3脚，最后一下被防御有破绽，不知道能不能被下裁

没看到julia用什么新招数

确实是只完成65% ，因为解投后还是和以前一样，没有把新的拆投地系统加进去

to be continued

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-9-17 23:51:02编辑过]

作者: flying 时间: 2004-9-18 02:44

我这里bt还可以，现在很多东西下载都是需要bt下载了，直接下载都不行了！

作者: DashEWGF 时间: 2004-9-18 03:53

lei's PAN 4 hits gournd...........jeez -_-||

d+4 -> CRA looks like a glitch not a move...

f+3+4 looks like has longer active window

distance of haha step is very short

from the video, i didn't see d/b+4 on block is safe, you still get punish by WS moves.

i've thought some setups already, can't wait to get them tested, heh :*)

作者: daouz 时间: 2004-9-18 05:38

tekken.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw
有提供分流檔

作者: camus 时间: 2004-9-18 09:00

我昨天下了一下,BT好慢,几K才,根本没办法下

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-18 11:44

又下了个

PAUL VS LEI

HWOA VS JIN

PAUL 现在有T3那身“狂奔族”的衣服了，头发也和T3一样

d1,2还有，被LEI 10 f 的拳中断了……

其他没看到这个PAUL用什么招数……

LEI 是d4安全（前面说错了，db4还是不行……），后面进构，让人2择

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-9-18 15:05:32编辑过]

作者: yanshen 时间: 2004-9-18 20:39

Quote from number 6 from Korea test--[01:14] <duk2k> hihi
[01:14] * ChoiBoy has quit IRC
[01:15] <duk2k> tekken 5 is only at
[01:15] <duk2k> 65% finished
[01:16] <duk2k> how are they gonna release it on october?
[01:16] <number_6> did that 65% number come from the recent korean show?
[01:16] <duk2k> today
[01:16] <duk2k> from the director on the team
[01:17] <duk2k> i thought they had the final version
[01:17] <duk2k> and steve is still super strong
[01:17] <duk2k> lol beating everyone
[01:17] <number_6> let the date slip all they want
[01:17] <number_6> get it right
[01:17] <duk2k> and jin's Ls
[01:17] <duk2k> first 2 hits
[01:17] <duk2k> look like high
[01:17] <duk2k> not mid anymore
[01:17] <duk2k> and ls goes in after 2 jabs in the air for juggle
[01:18] <duk2k> they already fucked up marduk
[01:18] <duk2k> his air throw sux
[01:18] <duk2k> i won't pick him as main.. .never!
[01:19] <number_6> who seemed strong?
[01:20] <duk2k> STEVE
[01:20] <duk2k> he only needed 2 moves to win every game
[01:20] <number_6> doh
[01:21] <number_6> how did they like kaz?
[01:21] <duk2k> he has pretty good
[01:21] <duk2k> overall
[01:22] <duk2k> it definetely feels like t3
[01:22] <duk2k> nothing like t4
[01:22] <duk2k> steve will dominate the first few months it looks like..
[01:22] <duk2k> very safe
[01:22] <number_6> which two moves did he use?
[01:22] <duk2k> 121
[01:22] <duk2k> and d1 or something like that
[01:22] <duk2k> it's like kaz's db4 in t4
[01:22] <duk2k> but much better
[01:23] <duk2k> against jin
[01:23] <duk2k> you can duck the 2nd ls
[01:23] <duk2k> kill ls abusers lol
[01:23] <duk2k> nina looks like
[01:23] <duk2k> she's gonna suffer a lot
[01:23] <duk2k> this is from the korean top nina player
[01:24] <duk2k> he said she looks bad when the opponent keeps doing backdash
[01:24] <duk2k> every move can be backdashed easily
[01:24] <duk2k> and jin might look like
[01:24] <duk2k> ttt jin
[01:24] <duk2k> since his left cd uppercut
[01:24] <duk2k> is safe on block
[01:24] <duk2k> and launchs on hit
[01:24] <number_6> what didn't you like about marduk airthrow? damage less?
[01:24] <duk2k> yeah damage
[01:24] <duk2k> and it's just too fast
[01:24] <duk2k> motionless
[01:24] <duk2k> it looks shitty
[01:25] <duk2k> every marduk player said he looked bad right now
[01:25] <duk2k> but one guy did 10 win lol
[01:25] <duk2k> so who knows
[01:26] <number_6> how strong did backdashing seem?
[01:26] <duk2k> it's like tag
[01:26] <duk2k> fast
[01:26] <duk2k> everything looks like tag
[01:27] <duk2k> with t4 upgrade characters
[01:27] <number_6> so turtling will be good
[01:27] <duk2k> but
[01:27] <duk2k> dash is faster now
[01:27] <duk2k> but turtling with steve would still work
[01:27] <duk2k> you just have to be safe with low moves
[01:27] <duk2k> cause input at the same time
[01:27] <duk2k> hwoarang d44 beats steve's 121
[01:27] <duk2k> so you just have to block those
[01:28] <duk2k> use 121 when the opponent tries to come close
[01:28] <number_6> how was sidestep?
[01:28] <duk2k> and do that low poke whenever you need to
[01:28] <duk2k> it
[01:28] <duk2k> its like tag
[01:28] <duk2k> it's pretty good
[01:28] <duk2k> it looks like steve has one weakness
[01:28] <duk2k> he can't catch ss very well
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[01:29] <duk2k> and a lot of guard bounces
[01:30] <duk2k> like blocking moves you bounce off a lot
[01:30] <number_6> anybody use haha step with lei?
[01:30] <duk2k> like ttt
[01:30] <duk2k> or more
[01:30] <duk2k> don't remember
[01:30] <duk2k> lei is fucking strong too
[01:30] <duk2k> oh well nobody knows anything yet
[01:30] <duk2k> it's only 65
[01:30] <number_6> yeah and we have seen how much has changed already
[01:31] <duk2k> oh yeah all the players were there
[01:31] <duk2k> too many
[01:31] <duk2k> mdj was owning with hwoarang
[01:31] <duk2k> hwoarang = big damage
[01:31] <duk2k> and i'm not sure yet
[01:32] <duk2k> but mdj looks like he already found a bug on the wall with hwoarang
[01:32] <duk2k> might be infinites lol

作者: deadflycat 时间: 2004-9-19 12:34

我要求在墓碑上刻,"小雨永久的拥护者"....

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我有個朋友的外號就是 xiaoyu pimp...

所以每次他用xiaoyu...我們都說,"high school av porn star!!!"

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