标题:T5 Steve Fox
作者:Wind
时间:3/16 09:27

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#121 [yanshen 8/3 15:16] 回复本帖
STEVE d+1 也削弱了， 据澳大利亚地人说被防 -15 就算士打中了 -1 ，就不能用ws1了不知道是不是真地

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#122 [花郎郁闷a 8/3 15:27] 回复本帖
原来防住是-多少的啊？？？

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#123 [yanshen 8/3 15:40] 回复本帖
原来是－11 吧， hwoa w44 能还，现在追突也能还了关键是就算打中了也不能压制了

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#124 [花郎郁闷a 8/3 16:06] 回复本帖
不过我也基本很少用D1就是了！不喜欢这招

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#125 [yanshen 8/14 12:18] 回复本帖
FROME TZ: tone downs- -d/f+2 ch launch only -121alb2 is GONE -alb2 from flicker in general can only be done after certain moves now(so far i have noticed qcf+1, flicker 1 but im sure there is more and you can probably do it if you wait awhile) -alb2 doesnt ch stun anymore into broken ass damage -d+1 recovers worse now(limited testing) -5.1's version of the crush system is alot more lenient meaning steves plethora of strong highs are going to be crushed easier now -3*11 is gone, and it needed to be because the infinite was bullshit -b+1~b flkb+2 is gone and b+12 isnt guaranteed on hit anymore -d/f+1+2, d/f+1+2 is gone unless by a wall and with proper angle -ws+2 doesnt launch at all, and MAY be punishable -flk1f+1 or flk 11f+1 appear to have lost their massive frame advantage -ws+1,2 is not finishable on reaction when counterhit anymore and that probably means you dont get free jabs on ch ws+1 either -i think there are more that i cant remember these things are gone, quit whining steve is still good new shit- -b+2 appears to have a bigger punch crush window -some moves that cancel into sways seem to do so faster -d/b+2_b+12_albd+2_albd+1 all leave the person right in front of you on hit, if they dont tech you can juggle them, if they do great wakeup options -ff,n+2 seems to have better hitbox properties IMO, if you hit someone as they are trying to get up ...it does a crapload of damage too -steve is even more evasive than he was because the crush system was upgraded -d/f+1+2 has its t4 range back, its WAY BETTER...still as punishable as in 5.0 but its back to being the range machine it was -DCK f+2 IS SAFE, they cant cancel the block animation and kill you anymore...this is HUGE because....... -any move that cancels into a sway can be cancelled into DCK also...only it cancels way faster...and if you do DCK f+2 it cancels INSTANTLY for example d/f+2~f+4~f+2 will come out so fast the DCK doesnt even show up this is huge for so many reasons for one now you have a massive ch followup to alot of his moves that will create alot of mixups...but also this is going to make juggles very creative ANNNNNNND the best news i have seen so far is.... -any move that cancels into a sway can also be cancelled into.....grabs example: d/f+1~1+3 they can also be cancelled into advancing grabs this is fucking nuts because some moves like d/f+1 grant so many frames of advantage on hit they would make it uninterruptible and thats assuming it doesnt cancel any frames of animation to do so 5.1 steve is looking top tier to me he still has alot of his other BS too sidenotes: 3~right, 4 and 4~left 3 are still there as well as b:n+2

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#126 [花郎郁闷a 8/14 12:25] 回复本帖
十么吊意思！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

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#127 [yanshen 8/14 13:21] 回复本帖
基本都是减弱地东西，就有个 1212后面按4，或者df2后面按，据说速度快了，没什么太大用处，反而危险…

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#128 [bluesky 8/16 21:31] 回复本帖
各位大哥尸体浮压制的好招式有哪些，大众连技推荐一个，谢谢

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#129 [yanshen 8/16 22:06] 回复本帖
牵制 121~b~3+4,2

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#130 [1秒7个风神步 8/21 21:18] 回复本帖
5.1 steve 还是很强，只是要换种方式去玩，就当他是一个新角色去练他，最近又在狂练steve

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#131 [yanshen 8/21 21:21] 回复本帖
楼上有什么心得吗，说出来分享分享，我给你提成

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#132 [law 8/22 12:23] 回复本帖
完了，我看到大帝的眼睛在发光

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#133 [edirock 8/23 20:56] 回复本帖
以下是引用scylla在2005-3-18 11:11:03的发言： 这个好像只有61的伤害吧。我知道一个combo是这样子的，d/f+2, b+1(进入flk), b+1,d+1, f21,3+4~2, 只是比较好看，但是相对比较难出，因为d1的时间把握要准确一点，不然f21会接不上。伤害是67

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#134 [Wind 8/24 09:11] 回复本帖
5.1 Steve is still very soild, I can't tell if he is top tier or not at this point but I will play some more and post his new stuff.

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#135 [1秒7个风神步 8/25 17:03] 回复本帖
以下是引用yanshen在2005-8-21 21:21:01的发言： 楼上有什么心得吗，说出来分享分享，我给你提成 3天前就写了，没想到写到一半不小心碰到鼠标哪里，一下子都没了，今天女朋友叫我去唱歌，我没去，一个人在家乱写了一下， take this 5.1 steve 随便说说， steve 看起来弱了，因为以前太强了！5。1里，alb+2 已经不stun了，但是还有很多可以代替它的东西，ff+2, 现在我最喜欢用的， stun 比alb+2 打得多，可惜就是上段，不过计算好了frame 优势，还是很好用。还有另外一个，duck~f+2, 虽然也是打上段，但是由于有个蹲式，打counter 很容易，有人说这个变快了，但是我暂时没感觉到，而且这个是100% safe的。还有一点很多招可以punch cancel 到 duck~f+2 (cancel~f), 如12~cancel, 121~cancel, d/f+1~cancel, d/f+1,2~cancel (有个假动作) d/f+2~cancel, 1,2,1,2~cancel, 这些招之后按f 就是直接duck, d or u 就是左右sway, b 就是back sway, 最后一点，所有到right sway以后可以直接用duck, 比如，1，2~4~f+2, 直接就出来了。 d/f+2 只有counter 才浮空，这招现在我用的很少了，不过看准机会往右侧移动后d/f+2, 打counter 的几率还是很高，d/f+2 的失去，我认为是steve 的最大损失，以前最为一个15 frame 的确反，现在没了。不过现在可以用d/f+2,2 不过打到以后飘到比较远，只能接d/f+1+2了，开始以为可以接f+2,1不过是不可能的，不过d/f+2，2 打蹲式没变，还是可以接1，f+2,1~flciker~b+1, alb+2. d+1, 现在是-15 on block, -1on hit, 现在我很少很少用了，d+2,1 (2) 代替它 d/f+1+2, 有人说范围大了，和t4 差不多，不过我没玩t4，所以不清楚，不过看上去挺好用 ffn+2 明显快了，看上去范围也大了 d/f+1, d/f+1，2，现在很好用，由于是unparriable，+4 on hit, +1 on hit, 可以配合b+1 b+1 显得更好用，还有u/f+1, 由于是+7 on hit, 配合counter 能stun 的招很好用了，如b+1, duck~F+2, fF+2, d/f+2，我现在很喜欢用d/f+1,2, d/f+1,2,1, d/f+1,2,2, 以及d/f+1 和d/f+1,2 cancel 到sway and duck ws+2 已经不浮空，不过挡住很多招可以用u/f+2 代替，如三岛的hellsweep. 当挡住对手倒地起身时3 时，现在可以直接用u/f+2, 以前在5 里是不可以的，相信u/f+2 会更有用，还有很多应该我还没发现听人说，由于系统变了，steve 的sway 现在更快，更安全，更好用了，现在我很喜欢用punch cancel 到左右sway, 由于左晃到右，和右晃到左，可以躲掉上段，还是自动防中段，不过不能防下段，防住后punish 或者直接用摔，很实用。还有，punch cancel 可以直接cancel 到摔，比如1，2~1+3，确实挺快，不过没有说的那么实用，每次我做的时候都被对手用jab 打掉，不过对付那种一味防的人很有效 Sway cancel, 左右sway后，按f 就直接cancel, 可以直接摔，f 是要在整个sway 动作之后按，不然cancel 不了。 Duck cancel, f+3 or 4后，按b, 直接cancel 总结：steve 还是很强，现在namco 给我们的意识很清楚，以前cheap 的东西都要变没用，而以前你们不用，或者认为没用的，现在都要用，现在印象最深的就是steve 的sway。现在每个人物确实很平衡，最厉害的deviljin其实和剩下的差不了多少，现在靠几个实用的招打天下不行了，每个招都有它存在的意义。

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#136 [1秒7个风神步 8/25 17:07] 回复本帖
忘了一点，1，2，1，2 现在是-10 on block, 不安全了，不过可以直接cancel 到sway

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#137 [PERFECTTK 8/25 17:53] 回复本帖
现在namco 给我们的意识很清楚，以前cheap 的东西都要变没用，而以前你们不用，或者认为没用的，现在都要用。现在每个人物确实很平衡，每个招都有它存在的意义。这就是心目中的理想铁拳了！

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#138 [joy_20 9/11 21:37] 回复本帖
请教那个无限连是什么？？？有没有录相啊？？想见识一下！！

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#139 [bluesky 9/18 23:54] 回复本帖
我练了一段时间STEVE，有两个问题1 121后3+4 2 这个3+4按键有啥窍门？我怎么每次都按出来变b4？2 b3+4后f\b1，就是转两圈后的1为何总发不出？这又有啥窍门？希望有人解答下

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#140 [tianyuanyuan 9/19 00:02] 回复本帖
b3+4后f\b1???看不懂的说第一个需要再练习摇杆要在121后拉住后然后3+4 2

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#141 [bluesky 9/19 00:05] 回复本帖
啊打错了，是转一圈后拉上或下，后面的1我总是发不出，怎么回事啊

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#142 [tianyuanyuan 9/19 00:08] 回复本帖
这个比第一个问题容易多了 121拉住后3+4然后摇杆随你拉上拉下然后按1就OK了怎么会出不来就算转两圈出下段也容易摇杆再拉下就是咯只能自己慢慢找感觉咯睡觉去了

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#143 [bluesky 9/19 15:59] 回复本帖
今天去试了试，原来121 后要延迟下再出3+4 2，以前是我出的太快了。。。。但那个韩国转还是试不出，我b3+4 u后面的1死活出不来，慢出快出都试过了这是怎么回事啊

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#144 [rockyx 9/19 16:51] 回复本帖
不会吧~转两圈出个上/下拳有什么难炼的吗？是否你的手柄或摇杆坏掉了~u不行你就d吧

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#145 [bluesky 9/19 17:02] 回复本帖
我也不知道啊，所以来问问啊那个1从来没出来过，怎么回事啊

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#146 [rockyx 9/19 17:27] 回复本帖
转出第一圈立刻u/d~狂按1~不信出不来[em33]

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#147 [bluesky 9/19 17:44] 回复本帖
U和1要一起按的吗？？

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#148 [yanshen 9/24 13:12] 回复本帖
按一次出来就知道了，我现在也不知道是哪个先按哪个后按，靠手感了

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#149 [jinkazama 9/26 20:11] 回复本帖
问一个小白的问题 FLK是怎么发的...

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#150 [yanshen 9/26 21:06] 回复本帖
FLK是什么？ T4没怎么玩STEVE，名字我弄不清楚

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