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camus 2004-9-16 13:58

[心得]来自韩国测试的反馈 - 最后更新于2004.9.20.


<B>[color=#FF6600]更新记录：[/color]</B>

<B>[color=#3809F7]9.20.修订了多处错误[/color]</B>

<B>[color=#3809F7]9.19.新增内容：关于T5整体印象的交谈添加在末尾，感谢yanshen提供英文资料[/color]</B><B>[color=#3809F7]9.17.新增内容：关于Lei的交谈，感谢yanshen提供英文资料[/color]</B>
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[color=#3809F7]翻译自DashEWGF的帖子，
注：T5消息这么多，一个人不可能全部知道，论坛是大家的，人人添砖加瓦才是正道！大家以后看到的英文消息，如果懒得翻译都可以发上来，我会翻译的。  这时充当公仆角色。 :-) 当然我自己肯定是会四处寻觅地,我的帖子也会加上时间便于大家查阅新主题[/color]

[02:12]  看起来
[02:12]  今天T4玩家比TT玩家要多
[07:44]  猜猜看为什么
[07:44]  在今天的T5测试上
[07:44]  TT玩家离开的都比较早 lol
[07:44]  T4玩家却一直留到散场
[07:44]  hah
[07:44]  t4 = 爱 t5
[07:44]  ttt = 我们还要回去玩TT

事情是这样的：T5是以T3的系统为基础并强化了T4的角色出招。对于我们的核心TT玩家来说，我们根本没碰过T4......所以让我们使用或者面对T4角色是一个很大的问题。当然，T5出来后我们会练习的，呵呵

增加的一些东西：
从这此T5地区测试的负责人那里我们知道T5的完成度只有65%。Marduk被削弱。Steve非常强。Lei也是。

出现在这次测试上的名人包括：Mad Dog Jin, Park Yong.

MDJ 已经找到一些BUG, 像Hwoarang的无限墙壁连 和 Jin的4发目LS. 前两下是上段(至少看起来像...)

Hwoarang 可以用 d+4,4 反击Steve的121

韩国Nina高手认为Nina被大大削弱了，因为她的的对手可以很轻易的Backdash她的牵制技

[color=#3809F7]翻译感言：韩国人不是一般的，无限连都出来老，，，，，，言谈之间可以发现，他们认为角色的出招风格是T4式样的[/color]


关于Lei的更新
[02:16]  Lei很好用
[02:19]  因为 ff+3 和 ff+2?
[02:20]  nah
[02:20]  是全部的招都好用
[02:20]  再加上墙
[02:20]  他甚至有d+4进……
[02:20]  对不起我不知道招式的名字，太难翻译了
[02:20]  总之他很全面很强
[02:21]  d+4后面那招看起来像什么?
[02:23]  简单说来
[02:23]  d+4下段牵制然后进任意一个构
[02:23]  太简单了，
[02:24]  什么?! 只是一个d+4, wow!
[02:24]  是的呵！
[02:24]  不知道是不是d+4,
[02:24]  但是你知道只是一个简单的下端牵制就可以进任意一个构
[02:25]  oh 等等
[02:25]  它看起来就像
[02:25]  hrm
[02:25]  蛇?
[02:25]  我不知道还有什么东西像蛇一样


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[01:14]  你好
[01:15]  T5的完成度只有60％
[01:16]   他们怎样在10月发布?那65％的完成度是在最近的韩国测试公布的？
[01:16]  今天，从小组带头人那里得知的，我想他们已经有最终版了
[01:17]  Steve还是很强，lol，随便下
[01:17]  只有能做好，随他们延期了
[01:17]  jin的LS前两击看起来像上段的，一点都不像中段
[01:17]  浮空2个点拳以后可以接LS
[01:18]  他们已经加强了marduk，他的空背，但是我永远不会用他做主力！
[01:19]  谁看起来强？
[01:20]  STEVE
[01:20]  他只需要两招就可以赢得每一盘游戏
[01:20]  doh
[01:21]  他们怎么说Kazuya的?
[01:21]  他非常好！！！
[01:22]  T5打起来很像T3，一点也不像T4
[01:22]  看起来steve将在开始的几个月称霸，非常安全
[01:22]  他用哪两招?
[01:22]  121
[01:22]  还有 d1 或者 像d1的招
[01:22]  就像T4里Kazuya的腿碎，不过好用多了
[01:23]  对Jin的时候，你可以蹲LS的第二发，这样就可以反击那些滥用LS的 lol
[01:23]  nina看起来必须忍受很多痛苦，是韩国Nina高手说的
[01:24]  他说当对手持续Backdash的时候，Nina很头疼
[01:24]  每一招都可以被很轻易的Backdash
[01:24]  jin的样子就像TT里面的Jin
[01:24]  他的左回突被防是安全的，而且击中还浮空
[01:24]  你为什么不喜欢Marduk的空投？不下血？
[01:24]  是的，而且太快了，看起来没什么用
[01:25]  每个Marduk使用者都说现在Marduk不好用了
[01:25]  不过有一个人赢了10局，所以，谁知道呢，，，
[01:26]  Backdash到底有多强
[01:26]  像TT一样，快
[01:26]  看起来很像TT再加上T4的加强型角色
[01:27]  所以龟缩打法将会比较好用（应该是指防守反击打法，防御 &gt; 进攻那种）
[01:27]  不过前冲现在也很快
[01:27]  不过steve的龟缩仍然很有效
[01:27]  下段技用起来会很安全，
[01:27]  因为同时输入的时候，Hwoarang的d44将会打到steve的121
[01:27]  所以你必须防御
[01:28]  在对方想靠近的时候用121，而在任何时候都可以使用下段技
[01:28]  SS怎么样了？
[01:28]  就像TT，非常好
[01:28]  看起来steve只有1个弱点
[01:28]  他不能很好的打SS
[01:29]  还有很多防御优势，比如说防御时你的优势降低很多
[01:30]  用Lei的人都用哈哈步么?
[01:30]  像TT一样，或者更多，记不得了
[01:30]  Lei也tmd太强了
[01:30]  不过现在也没人知道，因为现在的进度只有65％
[01:30]  是的，但是至少我们知道了改变了多少
[01:31]  那里有好多玩家
[01:31]  mdj用花郎
[01:31]  hwoarang = 暴血，不过我还不是很确定
[01:32]  不过mdj似乎已经发现了一个花郎的bug，墙壁无限连
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yanshen 2004-9-16 19:52

<P>http://tracker.arcadepimp.com/</P><P>有这次韩国测试录象了，大家快去下吧~~~</P>

yanshen 2004-9-16 19:56

<P>[02:12] &lt;duk2k&gt; looks like
[02:12] &lt;duk2k&gt; t4 players &gt; ttt players today
[02:16] &lt;duk2k&gt; omg
[02:16] &lt;duk2k&gt; lei looks crazy
[02:19] &lt;HsiaoLung&gt; cos of ff+3 and ff+2?
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; nah
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; just everything
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; + walls
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; he even has
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; d4 into urm
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; i dunno the move names sorry hard to translate
[02:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; anyway he's good overall
[02:21] &lt;HsiaoLung&gt; d4 into what does the move look like?
[02:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; just simple
[02:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; low d4 style poke
[02:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; into one of the arts
[02:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; it's cheap
[02:24] &lt;HsiaoLung&gt; what?! just the d+4 wow!
[02:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; yeah
[02:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; dunno if it was d4
[02:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; but you know
[02:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; just a simple low poke
[02:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; into one of the arts
[02:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; oh wait
[02:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; it looks like
[02:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; hrm
[02:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; snake?
[02:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; i dunno something like snake

</P><P>关于LEI地更新， 这个人暴强现在，所有的都加强了</P>

yanshen 2004-9-16 21:37

<P>刚才看了两段，    LEI确实厉害，，   LEI地很多浮空也回来了，判定也跟TT差不多（或者更强），恭喜背篼了， </P>
<P>他们说STEVE现在是N0 1 ， 还没看出来，估计用地这个人不行，等待看其他录象，</P>
<P>感觉那个 罗德曼 忍者很厉害， 上上下下，弄地人忽悠忽悠地，等会再看看，还有什么其他东西</P>
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yanshen 2004-9-16 22:13

<P>JIN现在罗刹门比较帅， 不象以前那么TM傻了，现在充满力量感 ， </P><P>JIN风神步后多了个中段浮空，看起来有点象bryan地d+2，，希望是特殊中段，</P><P>HWOA多了个个招数，冲过去跳起来劈一脚， 似乎可以跟db44</P><P>这个HWOA不行，直线进攻，连1133都用，3SS就没见他用过，就在远处用，找死， 跟JIN拼不过了就用d1,d4，不知道别地招数了</P><P>HWOA RFF:B4还是不行，跟T4一样，不如TT好用，</P><P>HWOA df2 确实可以直接浮空了</P><P>LAW 背向地新招数很傻，看地我晕……</P>

yanshen 2004-9-16 22:24

小雨长高了，不过判定似乎变弱了， 难怪美国人说她最弱，为飞猫默哀……

camus 2004-9-17 11:04

<P>[em73]再怎么弱都狠，可惜对要求太高，还是[em71]好练，duliya,duliya[em90]</P>
<P>PS:你对Lei的更新我已经翻译附在文后 </P>
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梅影横窗瘦 2004-9-17 11:36

谢谢言身的消息~~难道LEI的DB4又回归了~我最恨这个东西~

lauinkfan 2004-9-17 20:17

LEI天啊，他终于翻身了

yanshen 2004-9-17 23:50

<P>刚刚又看了点， 不知道大家下了多少了，我这用BT下速度都不是很快， 更别说其他地什么HTTP， FTP 下了</P>
<P>又看到了LAW地背向那两拳，收回昨天说这招很傻的话， 因为打中了人还是很帅， 人弹老远， 让你感觉到其中的力量感</P>
<P>LAW的 123 感觉还是和T4一样， 由于T5SS系统，不知道这招数能不能SS掉，</P>
<P>一八多了个风神后的中段，似乎是中段，还多了一些象 妓院拳(df2) 一样的中段，不过比妓院拳帅一些，大开大合，很有气势</P>
<P>JIN那个风神后的中段浮空似乎能躲上段， JIN地奈落被防住也有趔趄了</P>
<P>HWOA 那个跳起来劈腿的招数，counter似乎可以点拳继续浮空，不过没看到人用</P>
<P>HWOA新的空中3脚，最后一下被防御有破绽，不知道能不能被下裁</P>
<P>没看到julia用什么新招数</P>
<P>确实是只完成65% ， 因为解投后还是和以前一样， 没有把新的拆投地系统加进去</P>
<P>to be continued </P>
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flying 2004-9-18 02:44

我这里bt还可以，现在很多东西下载都是需要bt下载了，直接下载都不行了！

DashEWGF 2004-9-18 03:53

<P>lei's PAN 4 hits gournd...........jeez -_-||</P><P>d+4 -&gt; CRA looks like a glitch not a move...</P><P>f+3+4 looks like has longer active window</P><P>distance of haha step is very short</P><P>from the video, i didn't see d/b+4 on block is safe, you still get punish by WS moves. </P><P>i've thought some setups already, can't wait to get them tested, heh :*)</P>

daouz 2004-9-18 05:38

tekken.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw
有提供分流檔

camus 2004-9-18 09:00

我昨天下了一下,BT好慢,几K才,根本没办法下

yanshen 2004-9-18 11:44

<P>又下了个</P>
<P>PAUL VS   LEI</P>
<P>HWOA VS JIN</P>
<P>PAUL 现在有T3那身“狂奔族”的衣服了，头发也和T3一样</P>
<P>d1,2还有，被LEI 10 f 的拳中断了……</P>
<P>其他没看到这个PAUL用什么招数……</P>
LEI 是d4安全（前面说错了，db4还是不行……），后面进构，让人2择
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yanshen 2004-9-18 20:39

Quote from number 6 from Korea test--[01:14] &lt;duk2k&gt; hihi
[01:14] * ChoiBoy has quit IRC
[01:15] &lt;duk2k&gt; tekken 5 is only at
[01:15] &lt;duk2k&gt; 65% finished
[01:16] &lt;duk2k&gt; how are they gonna release it on october?
[01:16] &lt;number_6&gt; did that 65% number come from the recent korean show?
[01:16] &lt;duk2k&gt; today
[01:16] &lt;duk2k&gt; from the director on the team
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; i thought they had the final version
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; and steve is still super strong
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; lol beating everyone
[01:17] &lt;number_6&gt; let the date slip all they want
[01:17] &lt;number_6&gt; get it right
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; and jin's Ls
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; first 2 hits
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; look like high
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; not mid anymore
[01:17] &lt;duk2k&gt; and ls goes in after 2 jabs in the air for juggle
[01:18] &lt;duk2k&gt; they already fucked up marduk
[01:18] &lt;duk2k&gt; his air throw sux
[01:18] &lt;duk2k&gt; i won't pick him as main.. .never!
[01:19] &lt;number_6&gt; who seemed strong?
[01:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; STEVE
[01:20] &lt;duk2k&gt; he only needed 2 moves to win every game
[01:20] &lt;number_6&gt; doh
[01:21] &lt;number_6&gt; how did they like kaz?
[01:21] &lt;duk2k&gt; he has pretty good
[01:21] &lt;duk2k&gt; overall
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; it definetely feels like t3
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; nothing like t4
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; steve will dominate the first few months it looks like..
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; very safe
[01:22] &lt;number_6&gt; which two moves did he use?
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; 121
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; and d1 or something like that
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; it's like kaz's db4 in t4
[01:22] &lt;duk2k&gt; but much better
[01:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; against jin
[01:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; you can duck the 2nd ls
[01:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; kill ls abusers lol
[01:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; nina looks like
[01:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; she's gonna suffer a lot
[01:23] &lt;duk2k&gt; this is from the korean top nina player
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; he said she looks bad when the opponent keeps doing backdash
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; every move can be backdashed easily
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; and jin might look like
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; ttt jin
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; since his left cd uppercut
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; is safe on block
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; and launchs on hit
[01:24] &lt;number_6&gt; what didn't you like about marduk airthrow? damage less?
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; yeah damage
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; and it's just too fast
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; motionless
[01:24] &lt;duk2k&gt; it looks shitty
[01:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; every marduk player said he looked bad right now
[01:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; but one guy did 10 win lol
[01:25] &lt;duk2k&gt; so who knows
[01:26] &lt;number_6&gt; how strong did backdashing seem?
[01:26] &lt;duk2k&gt; it's like tag
[01:26] &lt;duk2k&gt; fast
[01:26] &lt;duk2k&gt; everything looks like tag
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; with t4 upgrade characters
[01:27] &lt;number_6&gt; so turtling will be good
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; but
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; dash is faster now
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; but turtling with steve would still work
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; you just have to be safe with low moves
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; cause input at the same time
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; hwoarang d44 beats steve's 121
[01:27] &lt;duk2k&gt; so you just have to block those
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; use 121 when the opponent tries to come close
[01:28] &lt;number_6&gt; how was sidestep?
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; and do that low poke whenever you need to
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; it
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; its like tag
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; it's pretty good
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; it looks like steve has one weakness
[01:28] &lt;duk2k&gt; he can't catch ss very well
[01:28] * HsiaoLung has joined #tekken
[01:29] * crazie_ has quit IRC
[01:29] &lt;duk2k&gt; and a lot of guard bounces
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; like blocking moves you bounce off a lot
[01:30] &lt;number_6&gt; anybody use haha step with lei?
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; like ttt
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; or more
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; don't remember
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; lei is fucking strong too
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; oh well nobody knows anything yet
[01:30] &lt;duk2k&gt; it's only 65
[01:30] &lt;number_6&gt; yeah and we have seen how much has changed already
[01:31] &lt;duk2k&gt; oh yeah all the players were there
[01:31] &lt;duk2k&gt; too many
[01:31] &lt;duk2k&gt; mdj was owning with hwoarang
[01:31] &lt;duk2k&gt; hwoarang = big damage
[01:31] &lt;duk2k&gt; and i'm not sure yet
[01:32] &lt;duk2k&gt; but mdj looks like he already found a bug on the wall with hwoarang
[01:32] &lt;duk2k&gt; might be infinites lol

deadflycat 2004-9-19 12:34

我要求在墓碑上刻,"小雨永久的拥护者"....

yung 2004-9-21 12:47

<P>我有個朋友的外號就是 xiaoyu pimp...</P><P>所以每次他用xiaoyu...我們都說,"high school av porn star!!!"</P>
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