<P><duk|dream> nina and steve fucked up in Tekken version 5.1
<ironzzzzz> lol good
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<av|ns> ?
<duk|dream> nina and steve got fucked up big time
<duk|dream> almost every move that was useful
<av|ns> how do oyu know ? O_o
<duk|dream> because
<duk|dream> v5.1 patch information
<duk|dream> came out today
<av|ns> oh wow
<av|ns> where?
<duk|dream> arcadia august version
<duk|dream> magazine
<av|ns> oh that's cool
<av|ns> how about devil jin?
<duk|dream> feng got pretty bad too
<duk|dream> devil jin almost no change
<duk|dream> 3 small changes
<av|ns> b+1, d/f+2 on ch?
<duk|dream> it's a plus no minus
<duk|dream> no
<av|ns> still guaranteed?
<duk|dream> devil jin looks to be the best now
<duk|dream> yeah
<duk|dream> everything same
<av|ns> sweet
<duk|dream> except
<duk|dream> cd1 hit on air
<duk|dream> can go into heaven's door
<duk|dream> that flying thingy
<av|ns> oh nice
<duk|dream> and df2 stuff
<av|ns> hei's 2,2,1+2?
<duk|dream> not connectable
<duk|dream> i mean
<duk|dream> it's blockable
<duk|dream> the second 1+2
<av|ns> ah i see
<duk|dream> oh and
<duk|dream> you can now
<duk|dream> block while tech roll
<av|ns> im glad they raped the fuck out of steve
<duk|dream> which sucks...
<av|ns> nina i dont mind
<duk|dream> steve is
<duk|dream> hrm
<av|ns> tech roll catches = gone?
<duk|dream> it's just too much i think
<duk|dream> yeah
<duk|dream> gone
<duk|dream> even the wall
<av|ns> hm..
<duk|dream> no more
<duk|dream> bryan 121 df3
<av|ns> wow
<av|ns> bryan's wall game = raped
<duk|dream> but it sux
<av|ns> not like he needed it
<duk|dream> overall
<duk|dream> no more mind games
<av|ns> his b+1 still intact?
<duk|dream> during standing up
<duk|dream> this i'm not sure
<duk|dream> i didn't understand the jap
<av|ns> oh i see
<duk|dream> but i think it said
<duk|dream> no more launch
<duk|dream> on normal hit
<duk|dream> not sure
<av|ns> wtfff
<av|ns> i think that's a bit excessive
<duk|dream> but
<duk|dream> ws3
<duk|dream> on CH
<av|ns> unescapable O,o
<duk|dream> stun isn't excapable
<duk|dream> yeah
<av|ns> w00t
<duk|dream> and this
<duk|dream> MPK combination?
<duk|dream> i don't know which move
<trag> whats changed w/ feng?
<duk|dream> but ch 1st hit is guaranteed
<av|ns> taunt?
<av|ns> mpk = taunt?
<duk|dream> feng is pretty bad now
<duk|dream> b1 on block
<duk|dream> is -10 frames
<av|ns> lol
<duk|dream> ss4 on block
<duk|dream> has more delays
<av|ns> wtf
<duk|dream> and the rest i didn't understand
<trag> anything else?
<av|ns> i dont think they shouldve messed up his ss4
<duk|dream> there were 3 more changes i think
<duk|dream> something like
<duk|dream> ws3
<duk|dream> had more delays?
<trag> cool
<duk|dream> well everything were negative changes
<duk|dream> kuma
<trag> what about nina
<duk|dream> nina
<duk|dream> is almos ton par with steve
<duk|dream> very bad
<trag> d,db+3 not safe?
<av|ns> damn that sucks
<duk|dream> yeah not safe
<trag> ahh ok cool
<av|ns> u/f+1 techable
<duk|dream> the knee
<av|ns> ?
<duk|dream> even on jf
<av|ns> thanks duk for the info
<duk|dream> thanx
<duk|dream> oh btw
<duk|dream> nina
<duk|dream> the worst part
<duk|dream> no more uf1
<duk|dream> on juggle
<duk|dream> it's too slow now
<duk|dream> and it has delays on block
<pyrojoe> what about the steve changes?
<pyrojoe> really bad?
<duk|dream> horrible
<duk|dream> i mean
<duk|dream> horrible
<duk|dream> oki'll just write down
<duk|dream> he has the longest
<duk|dream> change list lol
<duk|dream> steve
<duk|dream> -df2 not launchable
<duk|dream> -no more infinites
<duk|dream> - albatross turn punch (3+4, 2) Ch stun is gone
<duk|dream> -121 or 21 albatross turn is gone
<duk|dream> - b1 into f2 is gone
<av|ns> (lol) im loving this.
<duk|dream> - it's impossible to juggle after close df1+2 hit
<duk|dream> - 1212, or 212 on CH isn't launchable any more
<StridaJin> good god just raped steve
<duk|dream> - you can tech roll after cutting hook?
<duk|dream> and two more i dunno the name of the move
<duk|dream> but it seems to be two other big moves that got raped
<av|ns> so v5.1 mostly deals with just steve?
<av|ns> how about low tier chars
<duk|dream> no
<duk|dream> every character has changes
<pyrojoe> crap... goodbye steve
<StridaJin> its in which new mag?
<duk|dream> but steve has the most changes
<duk|dream> Arcadia august
<duk|dream> Nina
<StridaJin> bout to go get that tonite and get the gf to translate
<duk|dream> - df12 hit or block you get delays
<Mr|dave> 5.1 just new version of t5 fixes some bugs?
<ironzzzzz> what about new moves?
<duk|dream> - more delays on blocking knee even if JF the distance doesn't go back far
<pyrojoe> wow... dude, what is namco doing?
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<StridaJin> marduk d+1+2?
<duk|dream> - divine kick d,db3 delayincreased
<duk|dream> - lift uppercut delay increased
<duk|dream> - and 3 more moves that got fucked up
<duk|dream> oh yeah
<duk|dream> uf 1
<duk|dream> is not slow
<duk|dream> and has more delays on block or hit
<av|ns> i dont think they shouldve fucked up nina or feng that badly..
<StridaJin> not slow?
<duk|dream> it's hard to connect on air juggle
<av|ns> their jabs are still intact right?
<duk|dream> and even if you get to connect, you can't do mind games
<duk|dream> because nina has big delays
<duk|dream> yeah jabs are same
<duk|dream> marduk
<StridaJin> o.O
<duk|dream> d1 on block is +3 now not +6
<duk|dream> d4 on hit is now -3 frames
<av|ns> not too bad
<duk|dream> that's it for marduk
<StridaJin> sweet
<StridaJin> but i want my d+1+2 back
<StridaJin> yea goin out to get the new Arcadia tonite
<duk|dream> you live in japan right now?
<StridaJin> yea
<StridaJin> okinawa
<duk|dream> cool
<duk|dream> well
<duk|dream> the magazine official release date is 6/30
<StridaJin> they say when the new version is supposed to be out?
<duk|dream> so it might not be out in all places
<av|ns> july i beleive
<StridaJin> ah ok
<duk|dream> yeah
<duk|dream> july
<duk|dream> first week
<StridaJin> cool
<duk|dream> that is japanese date
<duk|dream> dunno about international
<av|ns> oh
<duk|dream> right now the effect of thispatch is huge
<duk|dream> every steeve user is shocked in korea
<duk|dream> lol
<duk|dream> and mishimas are all happy
<duk|dream> especially devil jin
<ironpalm> hshshs
<ironpalm> hahaah
<av|ns> bwahhhahahaha
<av|ns> i know i am.
<ironpalm> nin must be crying
<ironpalm> his character is finished
<av|ns> i dont think it's completely finish
<av|ns> it's more or less like t4 steve now
<StridaJin> think they raped them a lil too much
<av|ns> he still has 121
<av|ns> :>
<av|ns> and.. throws..
<StridaJin> i just wanted ss 3 1 (1) gone really
<av|ns> naw, im glad they raped him.
<StridaJin> d/f+2 doesnt launch either you said?
<av|ns> hahahaha
<StridaJin> Duk: any julia shit?
<duk|dream> hrm yeah
<duk|dream> julia not much change
<duk|dream> i think i saw
<av|ns> kazuya?
<duk|dream> 4 ch into ff1 is easier to connect
<duk|dream> kazuya
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<av|ns> hey mark
<duk|dream> ws2 stun is unescapable
<av|ns> YESSSSSSSSS
<duk|dream> but the stun is like df2 stun
<duk|dream> not like t4 ws2
<av|ns> YESSSSSSS WOOHOO
<av|ns> AWWW..
<duk|dream> so no more ewgf launch
<duk|dream> just small juggles
<av|ns> damnit. -_-
<duk|dream> but it's still good
<av|ns> i rather do tp
<av|ns> hehe
<ironpalm> hwoarang?
<ironpalm> what about him
<duk|dream> hwoarang
<duk|dream> not much changes
<duk|dream> something like
<duk|dream> cut low on hit
<duk|dream> hwoarang is in disadvantage
<StridaJin> <duk|dream> 4 ch into ff1 is easier to connect<---------------you mean Julia right?
<duk|dream> i think cut low is db4
<duk|dream> not sure
<duk|dream> yeah julia
<StridaJin> sweet
<av|ns> i think hwoarang is fine the way he is
<StridaJin> magic 4's!
<duk|dream> btw
<duk|dream> major system change
<duk|dream> is
<duk|dream> down attacks are
<duk|dream> now 70% damage
<duk|dream> and you can block while tech rolling
<duk|dream> so there are no more tech roll catch
<MarkMan> yo
<MarkMan> whats up guys
<MarkMan>
<duk|dream> hey
<StridaJin> so roger is shit now
<av|ns> sup mark
<MarkMan> im compiling all the stuff
<MarkMan> to post as asticky on TZ
<MarkMan> thanks for the updates DUK
<av|ns> the rest of the irc stuff is posted on tz thread
<StridaJin> Mark: thankyou!
<duk|dream> np
<MarkMan> thanks to AV for posting it
<duk|dream> thing like
<MarkMan> or i wouldnt have gone on
<MarkMan> irc
<duk|dream> wall juggle bryan 121 into df3
<av|ns> np
<MarkMan> lol
<av|ns> haha
<duk|dream> i guess you can block df3 now
<duk|dream> since it's a tech roll catch move
<StridaJin> bryan wall game is raped
<duk|dream> but bryan is still strong
<duk|dream> ws3 ch unescapable stun
<duk|dream> taunt and jet uppercut still same
<duk|dream> and b1 on normal hit is not launchable
<duk|dream> yeah ws3 CH stun
<StridaJin> lol
<duk|dream> unescapable
<StridaJin> are you serious!?
<duk|dream> ff2 delay increased
<StridaJin> omg
<duk|dream> 124 delay increased
<duk|dream> yeah
<duk|dream> this is all official
<StridaJin> b1 on normal hit not launchable................classic
<pyrojoe> holy crap... let the ws3 spam begin
<av|ns> yeah that's fucked up.
<av|ns> ws+3 spam?
<pyrojoe> at least b1 is toned down
<av|ns> naw..
<av|ns> ling changes?
<duk|dream> not much
<duk|dream> just a sec
<StridaJin> ok did lei or kuma get beefed up at all?
<duk|dream> yeah
<duk|dream> they did
<ironpalm> are god question lei?
<ironpalm> good question
<pyrojoe> well, I guess if b1 won't launch after ch ws3, it's not too bad
<duk|dream> what is a
<duk|dream> rolling sovet
<duk|dream> king's move
<MarkMan> b+4
<MarkMan> err
<MarkMan> f+4
<ironpalm> what have they done to lei?
<MarkMan> rolling sobat
<trp> wait whats going on...
<duk|dream> oh ok
<trp> tekken 5 get patched or something
<trp> o_0
<duk|dream> hrm
<duk|dream> King:
<duk|dream> -Rolling Sobat normal hit makes wall stun
<duk|dream> on CH it makes opponent down
<MarkMan> WOO HOOO
<MarkMan> tight
<ironpalm> LEI ??
<duk|dream> -After Tombstone you get more frame advantage than before so d3+4 goes in and more i guess
<pyrojoe> anything on christie?
<duk|dream> Lei
<duk|dream> -ff2 delay decreased on block
<faceless> wow, namco actually making the game more balanced?
<duk|dream> -on one of the auto block stance , auto block is gone
<trp> so law is top tier now =p
<duk|dream> - ff4,3+4 first hits second goes in too
<trp> *\o/*
<duk|dream> is it ff4 3+4?
<duk|dream> i dunno that new move
<ironpalm> yeah i know whcih one you mean
<ironpalm> anything else
<ironpalm> increaae damage?
<ironpalm> increased damage?
<duk|dream> don't think so..
<duk|dream> the damage part
<StridaJin> oh and wang shit
<duk|dream> isn't on the magazine so
<ironpalm>
<duk|dream> it's hard to know right now
<trp> so my question is
<duk|dream> the chages that are writen
<ironpalm> lol
<duk|dream> are all move changes
<duk|dream> and frames
<trp> what are they gonna do about all the console versions that have already been bought...
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<duk|dream> damage we'll have to see when it comes out
<trp> and the arcade systems
<StridaJin> buy them again!
<duk|dream> from what i know
<duk|dream> this is
<trp> fk that
<duk|dream> just a small patch
<duk|dream> for the next big patch
<duk|dream> coming up later this year
<StridaJin> resell it for $20? =\
<duk|dream> i'm guess
<duk|dream> guessing that
<duk|dream> Tekken 5 Evolution
<duk|dream> or something at that size will come out
<StridaJin> lol yea
<faceless> lol
<duk|dream> and it'll be on ps3 next year
<duk|dream> this is just my guess but there are rumors like this in japan
<duk|dream> Yoshi
<duk|dream> -rk~lk the high launching move has less delays on block now
<StridaJin> b1 with bryan..........too good
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<duk|dream> -after yoshi tackle (f3+4) hit, nothing is confirmed (before db3 was confirmed)
<TONY-T> any upgrade for lei?
<duk|dream> hey tony
<TONY-T> hey duk
<duk|dream> -ff2 on block less delay
<duk|dream> -ff4 on hit 3+4 connect
<pyrojoe> oh.. heh, srry
<duk|dream> and no more auto parry in one of the stances
<MarkMan> oh shit
<MarkMan> tight
<duk|dream> Xiaoyu
<TONY-T> hmmmm!
<duk|dream> - from BT punch parry, damage increases and juggles (i think you can launch or something?)
<TONY-T> i hope the no more auto parry is in tiger stance
<duk|dream> - from BT lp hit makes opponent fall
<av|ns> i wonder
<TONY-T> that would be shit if it was panther
<duk|dream> no
<duk|dream> it is
<duk|dream> panther
<duk|dream> yeah panther
<av|ns> maybe bryan's b+1 on clean will cause crouch stun
<trp> lol
<TONY-T> fuck
<TONY-T> thats bad
<trp> if b+1 doesnt launch ne more what use is it lol
<TONY-T> well, wait and see i guess
<Brosnan> I wanna hear more about Kuma and Hwoarang.
<duk|dream> you can + frames on b1 block
<av|ns> it still has its block stun.
<duk|dream> so it's still good
<duk|dream> Kuma
<duk|dream> f1+2 on block less delays
<duk|dream> and ff2 has no delays now (even king b3 gets blocked)
<faceless> sad... groups already making psp rips
<Brosnan> Sweet
<ironpalm> great
<pyrojoe> ff2 safe? crazu
<ironpalm> lol
<duk|dream> Wang
<pyrojoe> crazy*
<duk|dream> - d41 has more delayson block
<duk|dream> - 111 doesn't make opponent move back any more on block
<Brosnan>
<duk|dream> - df1+3+4 on block wang is at disadvantage
<Brosnan> Does Hwoarang have anything other than more delay on d/b+4?
<MarkMan> how could the delay have gotten any worse lol
<MarkMan> wow
<Brosnan> On hit, Mark
<MarkMan> oh damn
<MarkMan> that sucks
<Brosnan> On block he is fucked anyway
<Brosnan> Yeah
<Brosnan>
<av|ns> =\ wtf
<av|ns> i think hwoarang is fine the way he is
<Brosnan> I use d/b+3 more anyway, to be honest.
<duk|dream> Law
<duk|dream> -Dragon Storm not launchable any more
<duk|dream> no flips
<Brosnan> Craig d+4 is -3 on hit
<MarkMan> thank you
<duk|dream> hrm
<duk|dream> Jack-5
<Brosnan> duk, any idea on a release time frame?
<duk|dream> -uf1+2 throw into d,df2 block bug is gone
<MarkMan> haha the universal break glitch?
<duk|dream> first week of july in japan
<duk|dream> yeah the break glitch lol
enjoy</P><P>看来STEVE削弱地厉害。蚂蚁，画郁，nomoon你们准备换人吧……</P>
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